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VASHKAR
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 Posted - 12/21/2006 : 1:27:05 PM
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I have a sincere question I would like some feedback on:
Should all web sites about Jaco be closed down except for this one?
Maybe it sounds crazy, or obvious to you. I honestly don't know. I have wildly miscalculated the opinions of the die-hard bloggers in this forum recently and now I am very curious about the general consensus on this issue. Does it help Jaco's legacy to remove his name and image from hundreds of web sites? I really want to know. Does it do JPI any good to be the only source of information about Jaco's life? Please, don't doubt my sincerity on this. I really want to know what people think.
I may be dead wrong (I often am), but apparently JPI is dedicated to this agenda and racking up huge legal fees sending their lawyers with heavy-handed tactics after these fan-based web sites. I first glance, I think it is sad. But, I must not be seeing the big picture. Please help me understand how this is good for Jaco, or even just good for JPI.
Go ahead and post links to your favorite Jaco web sites while you're at it so that we can have a look at them before they are all taken down.
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mixeduplydian
Junior Member
USA
344 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 2:10:32 PM
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How do you know it's racking up "huge legal fees"? What's "huge" mean to you?
If JPI feels that a particular site is offensive, it's certainly their perogitive to have the site removed. Your asertion that every "Jaco" site on the internet is being targeted for removal remains to be seen.
BTW, it's a shame you feel you have to continue to try and rachet up the tension between Ingrid and JPI. That's gotta be coming from a bad place. Judging by your posts, it's no secret that you're harboring a lot of anger and resentment. Would you be inclined to explain why you feel you have a personal stake in this?
There's always a solution to every problem that's mutually beneficial to both sides of an issue. The question is, who will be the better person and lead the way? |
Edited by - mixeduplydian on 12/21/2006 2:12:09 PM |
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Bob Bobbing
Administrator
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Posted - 12/21/2006 : 2:58:16 PM
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First of all there is no truth at all to the fact that JPI is attempting to take down all Jaco websites. This is just more misinformation and over exaggerations. Don't be taken in by this absurd statement.
However, Ingrid's website IS at the heart of a legal issue right now and this post should actually prove useful in getting to the heart of the matter that is really of importance.
So thank you Bob Lyons for bringing this topic to everyones attention. Let the discussions begin.
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wdent
Senior Member
USA
3437 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 3:31:30 PM
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Who's Bob Lyons?
Jaco: You know you've got that tape recorder on Duke Ellington's book!
Interviewer: Which book is that?
Jaco: The only one! |
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mixeduplydian
Junior Member
USA
344 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 3:35:03 PM
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Is this the "Bob Lyons" that has been posting here as VASHKAR? http://www.steeldrummusic.net/photos.htm
Bob/Vashkar (Vashkar - the name of the Bley tune, right?), I got a sinking feeling that you have a ghost writer. Wow. |
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dave uk
Senior Member
United Kingdom
501 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 4:10:39 PM
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Ive got it VASHKAR stands for " bad hat"...just joking
happy birthday mofo |
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S. Pears
Starting Member
USA
25 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 4:18:53 PM
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[i]Originally posted by mixeduplydian[/i]
[br]Bob/Vashkar (Vashkar - the name of the Bley tune, right?), I got a sinking feeling that you have a ghost writer. Wow.
Carla Bley to be exact. I'd like to recommend you to listen to Vashkar from the Steve Swallow/Gary Burton record "Hotel Hello". The one from the '74 recording with Jaco, Metheny, Ditmas and Bley is quite good too. |
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Bob Bobbing
Administrator
702 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 5:36:22 PM
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Ingrid's MO is to enamor musicians and Jaco fans with her last name and the fact that she is the mother of Jaco's children Felix and Julius. It is powerful stuff to any sincere music fan. But it is what happens after she wins them over that is potentially dangerous. Although she is warm and charming and deep down inside she does have a good heart, Ingrid is a fine tuned propaganda machine with an endless amount of energy for drama and conflict and will stop at nothing to accomplish her goals. She is capable of manufacturing incredible untruths to win the support of unsuspecting sincere fans who easily become sympathetic to a single mother with adorable Twin sons. And when she starts with the big corporation and the fat cats cheating her and Jaco's twin sons, it becomes a lynch mob ready to do her bidding for her. And for those of you who actually know her well know exactly what I am talking about. Her fears and paranoia run so deep it is practically impossible for her to even consider another point of view once she commits. I’ve known Ingrid since the very beginning with Jaco and I could write a book of what I know to be true on this topic about Ingrid. Remember I was her good friend and ally for over ten years before she turned on me.
I would imagine Bob Lyons is just another one of those individuals who has apparently been influenced to take on Ingrid’s beliefs as his own without seeking out one single piece of factual evidence. Naturally Ingrid is the source of all of the information. This is identical to the behavior when JPI’s site was attacked back in 2003 before the POJ came out. And it was later revealed that several from Ingrid’s group including Ingrid herself were attempting to sabotaged JPIs site and the POJ release. Check it out: http://www.jacopastorius.com/realdeal/sabotage.pdf
Like I said earlier, as the moderator I could block or delete these posts as they come in, but I want everybody to experience first hand what has been going on secretly via emails, discussion boards, over the phone, and in private chat rooms for years now. I personally feel bad for John and Mary as they are really the ones who have been getting hurt by all of this. The Twins too, but they always have the option to join John and Mary and become the family Jaco would absolutely want them to be. All together they would make the perfect website to Jaco Pastorius.
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mixeduplydian
Junior Member
USA
344 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 6:52:45 PM
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RMP
Junior Member
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 7:05:02 PM
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Regardless of the good intentions of any individual making a post, and given that Gregory and I can get extremely uncomfortable with all of this information in the public forum, can't we just please call a truce until after Christmas?
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year To All Jaco Fans Worldwide.
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Jeremy
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2006 : 8:00:47 PM
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[i]Originally posted by RMP[/i]
[br]Regardless of the good intentions of any individual making a post, and given that Gregory and I can get extremely uncomfortable with all of this information in the public forum, can't we just please call a truce until after Christmas?
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year To All Jaco Fans Worldwide.
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year! |
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suchow
Starting Member
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 1:58:35 PM
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Getting back to the topic here, "should all websites be closed down except for this one", that's an interesting question. I tend to think that any site that shows Jaco in a positive way is a good thing.
I do have a gripe though with sites that list bootlegs as a part of Jaco's discography. They're not any part of his discography, and even with a disclaimer that a particular recording is a bootleg, I suggest that they shouldn't be mentioned at all. A bootleg pressed on CD with cover art and a title tends to give that recording some air of legitimacy, and if they're listed alongside Jaco's albums then all that really does is compromise his work.
I would prefer to see ALL listings of bootlegs removed from any Jaco-related site. I also think that out of courtesy to JPI, every Jaco-related site or page should have a link to this site. Just my opinion. |
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bassplayer142
Senior Member
USA
1954 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 4:42:11 PM
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If you ask anyone how they discovered Jaco it was not through a website. They discovered Jaco through seeing him live and not knowing it, through the grapevine of great musicians or freinds, or just expanding their horizons. Fansites are for fans and if you are not a fan then you wouldn't attend a fansite. For instance if you don't like Weather Report then there is no way you would participate in the Weather Report forum. Although this website does bring in many curious bass players who want to learn more about Jaco, it is not the sole factor that started their love of jaco. Basically what I'm saying is that by removing fan sites they are making it harder for people to learn about Jaco.
life is aquiring the taste |
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Bob Bobbing
Administrator
702 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 6:18:15 PM
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[i]Originally posted by bassplayer142[/i]
[br] Basically what I'm saying is that by removing fan sites they are making it harder for people to learn about Jaco.
No offense intended, but this is exactly what happened with the Jaco "Park" debacle. Nobody was ever against naming a park in Jaco's honor. NOBODY! Yet the rumor got thrown out there and nurtured and then it was hand fed to the New Times magazine. An article that was designed as an attack on Jaco Pastorius Inc, and a character assassination on me personally. And that article led to the latest grudge match her on the discussion forum.
And that's what it looks like is about to happen here. I can hear the rumors now.....The "big bad” corporation and the control freak Bob Bobbing are about to squash all of the Jaco fan sites!!! NOT!
But it rally's the troops when people are gullible enough do buy into it.
Once again, NOBODY is going to take down all of the Jaco fan based websites!!
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